also, we can probably condense the credits list above. can we just keep adding additional letters to the first occurrence of each designer's name? i think it will be less confusing :)

Sorry I restricted it.
I'd prefer it restricted at the moment. But I think we should all vote on it. Majority wins.
I Vote restrict it. No Cloning.

hey dj - original deleted as requested. i didn't even notice you had restricted. no problem :)

Normally I would want it restricted, but since this is a collaborative effort, in the spirit of the community, I vote for full unrestriction (!).

PS: I am digging Funki's choice of letters. French Connection, UK would be so proud.

PPS: I hate my own letters. They are bringing the coolness of the font down. All your work is so awesome. Nice pixelization on the N, DJSupreme; Cool wood, mesquite s, Genie-in-the-FontStruct; Disco U, starburst c, SuperFunk; Can't-help-but-retrace-it-with-my-eye W, JohnJet-and-the-Gold-Heart; Welcome-to-the-Twilight-Zone O, aphoria-of-Shangrila. Can I delete my A?

PPPS: Cloning the font after each addition is losing the comment stream, which is kinda sucky.

also thought i'd mention - the name can be changed also. fs community font was just a starter name, but if someone wants to suggest another, better, more descriptive, evocative, or catchy name; please so do :)

I'm for having access restricted to those contributing. I also think we should stick with working on the same fontstruction and renaming it instead of cloning a new one so that the message thread is retained. Nice work everyone - that includes your "A" too, thalamic!

I normally open all of mine for cloning, but in this case I could probably be convinced to keep it closed.

I've often wondered about this, so I'll take this opportunity to ask what all of you think are the pros and cons of opening your fonts for cloning. I know some of you don't do it which makes me question whether I should be doing it or not.

If you want to keep a history of this work, maybe we can work on the master version and make periodic clones for versioning?
Plus, we wouldn't lose the comment stream.

Oh, thalamic, just stop it. I can easily beat you in a contest of whose stuff is crappier. :)

Maybe call it Collaboration.

It seems to me, that with every new clone made public, it sparks off interest within the group, otherwise you have to trawl through all the "obvious student" fontstructs to see if anyone's done some work. It's a catch 22. I prefer to put up a new font once new glyphs have been added.

The comments we've made prior to this, are all good, but essentially not that important.
However the comments and sample jpegs added when the font is completed should be preserved. Otherwise they'd be about 60 comments made.

The font to me seems to have the cohesion of variety. A bit like a poison pen letter. The uppercase is very ornate and detailed, where as the lower case is simpler.

@Fk - ha ha, you've changed that K at least 5 times, no wonder you're so prolific, you're constantly changing the angle of approach.

@ Aphoria -
I restrict my fonts, for the following reasons:-
1. If I think it is complete, and cannot be improved.
2. It has the full Euro set.
3. It has an element of extreme difficult, and time consuming advance processes.
4. The font is to be sold to a Font House.
5. Also when you create what you think is a masterpiece, then I wouldn't want anyone tweaking it, unless it's one of the what I consider to be the Top Ten fontstructors.
6. Why should someone else take credit and praise for what is essentially my Original idea.

I allow Cloning if:
1. It's an educational font designed to be studied.
2. It's a very basic font, that is not that difficult to reproduce.
3. It's someone else's font, that I've cloned, and they let me clone their work.

Each font is different, but I'd say 80% of my Public fonts are restricted, 20% are cloneable.

For the sake of simplicity, I vote that we all keep editing this same Fonstruction. I like the idea that this Fontstruction may never be completed. It's more of a living Fontstruction, that changes and morphs a little everyday. Don't like you'r 'A' Thalamic? Just change it. Change it everyday!

Up T'd; re-A'd. :)

i agree with dj - it nice to see the font bounce to the top and not stay buried with no one ever seeing it again, except us :(

@ afro - i don't know if i agree that i like the idea that this font will never be finished. i accept it as a possibility, but i remain optimistic that uc, lc and . , ? ! will be done. we shall see :)

regarding the message thread - it's nice, but i agree with dj. once the font is "done" no more clones. for now i think the message thread provides a journal about the creation of this font. once it's done, i think comments will be different in nature and should then be maintained.

regarding restricting font - interesting take on it dj. maybe that's why i'm enjoying this - the ability to view some "master secrets" that i otherwise couldn't...he, he, he :) i often wonder if any of my stuff is not already being exploited by someone - paranoid, realistic, unavoidable? perhaps. i googled a font type over the weekend and low and behold discovered some of my stuff was listed on a font webpage - with links back to fs. a little thrilling/chilling, but i chose not to get worked up over it - at least not right now and just bookmarked the page. i think regardless of whether we restrict our work or not, someone who wants to steal and knows what they're doing could possibly do it, but might get caught - i believe our user id or name is embedded in the font file and can't be changed - whether restricted or not. perhaps it will help to deter thieves. i prefer to hope that if someone does steal something of mine and it's used commercially - that i find it and maybe $$$ or maybe not :(

but i will say it is so cool to be able to look at how others work with these dang bricks - you guys have some skills :) i think we're like other artists. you can have great technique, but that doesn't make art - it's the x factor, but it's still so cool to see how each of you does your thing :)

I agree.

I mean, I agree with the A being too wide thing.

I think you can turn off sharing, save it, turn sharing back on, and save it again to make it re-appear as new fontstruction. That way we could maintain the conversation but also keep the whole font popping up as a new font.

@djnippa
Thanks for your pros and cons. I guess I have always thought that nobody would ever pay for my fonts, so why not open them for cloning. Maybe I'm just too insecure and should reconsider.

There have been several times that I wished I could clone fonts by many of these collaborators to see how they did something. Maybe a new feature to ask for? The ability to "send a clone" to someone? Then we could at least share amongst trusted friends.

Oh yeah...why hasn't intaglio contributed anything?

@ aphoria - i don't think that trick will work, but we could test it. i think i did this before with one of mine and once you turn it back on, it just reappears back in its original place :( and i agree about intaglio and some others :( but hey, the show must go on :) yes, request for clone would be a nice feature along with advanced filtering options on the private and public view pages :)

@fnk_kng: I didn't mean to say we couldn't "finish" the font for lack of characters, rather, that the font could remain fluid not static.

@ afro - my bad, dude. i totally agree, but i guess that begs the question - do we allow changes ad infinitum? what if one of us goes rogue :)

@ all - so even though we're not "finished" with this one, do we wait before our next project. participation here is strictly nsa, but i'm sure some of you have ideas about what we've done and what we could do next - if it's not premature :) my suggestions to consider:

1. new project - tighter grid. our first uses what i consider a moderately sized grid. how about restricting the grid to???
2. new project - vary the filter. i pretty much work 2x2. i would be a challenge to work otherwise
3. new project - restricted grid and filter
4. new project - restricted character. explore what happens only using certain bricks
5 new project - themed - blackletter, italics, inline, fat,

i know, i have too much free time :) these are only food for thought. i suppose we should finish this one first, not to lose focus :)

Re-revised A.

Absolutely gorgeous z, dj.

@ Thal, thanks mate, I love it as well, so much so that I'm designing a full font based on it, and other sets based on my a,e,g,N & i. Who knows whether they'll work or not.

For me that's the best thing I've got from doing this collaboration.

fyi - i did a clone to get a couple of my glyphs to experiment with building them out vs. starting all over again. i cloned a version as collab, then shared it. cloned another version as fk, then deleted my 1st clone as collab. results - once i deleted the clone, there is no link to it being a clone of collab - this could be good or bad, good if you only clone your stuff and only want yourself as the designer - bad if someone takes someone else's stuff and uses it without permission :(

added h

Who started the Y ?

I did. Then right in the middle of doing it, a massive power outage occurred that almost blanketed the city. This is the first chance I've had since then to finish it.

Added Y.

PS, @DJ: I see how you would want to flesh out the character you designed. I would too if I came up with such cool letters. Can't wait to see the whole thing.

@ thal - i like the Y. i really liked your previous A. i hope u weren't offended by my suggestion, but i guess by your decision to revise, and delete my suggestion would lead me to believe u might be. i thought your A had a nice feel and look that fit in nicely. although a comment was made that it was too wide, it actually was no wider than the W. i feel most sad that you deleted it and that it doesn't appear in any of the previous clones. it was beautiful. but i respect your decision :)

@ thal - i like the Y. i really liked your previous A. i hope u weren't offended by my suggestion, but i guess by your decision to revise, and delete my suggestion would lead me to believe u might be. i thought your A had a nice feel and look that fit in nicely. although a comment was made that it was too wide, it actually was no wider than the W. i feel most sad that you deleted it and that it doesn't appear in any of the previous clones. it was beautiful. but i respect your decision :)

Oh no, fk. :) I did think the A was kinda cool, but I also agreed that it did not fit. That's why I deleted it. I'm working on a font that uses that design so it didn't go to waste. No worries.

Congratulations! FontStruct Staff have deemed your FontStruction worthy of special mention. “fs community font 1.4” is now a Top Pick.

I see a community!
Feels good!

I'm a "singularity", - but what you guys are doing looks great ... 190++ points by me.

Wicked Q Aphoria, you planning on doing a whole font like that?

@Thalamic.
That Y still makes me chuckle. Martini with 3 olives. Excellent.

I did the lowercase q. Afrojet did the uppercase Q, which is much cooler than mine.

But, I might do something with mine anyway. :)

@ proto - i don't know dude. i think u could make a nice contribution if u participated. u have created 2 outstanding fonts and definitely exhibit the talent to be part of our team :) i would say each of us are singularities and chose to take part in this for the fun of it and the potential that each of us felt it held. what i see happening is that collaborations like this can be the starting point for individual font sets that are further developed by team members who created the original or have permission to use. it's also cool how it's turning out - all these different ideas being bound together in the spirit of creativity and cooperation. way cool :)

@ aphoria - that's a nice smooth q. yes, please do something with it. i think a full set would have lots of fluidity and presence.

@ team - congratulations on getting our first top pick. thanks to the fs staff for making this possible. thanks to the team members for contributing. now we have added motivation to finish :)

How can I join the club?

Sorry, wicked Upper Q Afrojet. When's the full font making an appearance?

@ magic_sam - i'm not sure how the team will handle your request since everyone participating pretty much "signed on" at the very beginning and may have reservations to allow additional participation at this point. me - i say let's vote (5 yes votes and you're in :) and i vote yes - there's still glyphs to do.

@ all - re: font distribution - since vowels are like the "prime" letters that appear more often, it may be unfair for anyone to have more than 1. since this wasn't addressed initially, i think everyone should keep definitely keep what they've done. however, next time this may be something to think about. also, if anyone wants one of my vowels, i will gladly transfer the desired glyph to u :) i can make any of my existing vowel glyphs alternates and put them in an unused end character.

@ all - we haven't discussed the use of extended or left-over characters. i was thinking about doing some type of "signature" - genenus1 does this regularly. also might want to do some alternates and place them there as well.

re: name - fontribution :)

I vote yes for magic_sam and prototype also.

Although, maybe it shouldn't be a public vote in case some one wants to vote no, but not hurt feelings?

I'm not too concerned about the number of contributors, more the ability of each.

I think magic_sam has a very nice portfolio.

Prototype only has two fonts, but they are both good and earned top picks.

That 'B' is genius, Genius. So many great letters everyone. You've all done a terrific job. I say let in whoever else feels like they've got something to contribute.

Dear fontstructors!
THANKS for inviting me. My head is cluttered at the moment, and i do not feel like beeing able to concentrate on the community font PROPERLY. What funk_king wrote about one of my things, i want to cite, in order to honour YOU ALL:

... like great singers - each one unique and magnificent in their own right ...

(PS: When i'm ready for the community font, i WILL find an empty glyph ... say, Capital Yogh, for example; this glyph always cracks me up :)

OH! Yes, that's totally uncool.

That's really worrying, as someone could delete the whole font if they so desired!!

Rule 1. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!

Rule 2. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!

Rule 3. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!!

It may have been as genuine mistake. Whoever did it, please own up, and take it on the chin. We need to know that it IS someone within the group, and we don't have an infiltrator.

@FK. It was still visible at 6.30am this morning, when I got back from my gig at Digital,Brighton, UK.

How come everything's in bold!

I added a P, o and v. Hope you like them.

lol. hey dj, it started back at the end of one of your posts. it can't be edited cause you posted as you. i don't know if that's it or if hiding the comment might turn off the bold. i agree - although the issue is important, it doesn't warrant bold type. well at least its not bold caps :)

@ magic - i do, i do. very nice and welcome. must put you in the credits.

@ thal - the corkscrew T, the martini glass Y - very nice, indeed :)

Somebody took a throwing star to the old 'X'. Thalamic. Why?

I love this font and its uniqueness every letter. I was wondering if I could make a few letters?

That's a great X thalamic!

Let the record show that I did NOT alter any glyphs but my own.

I was thinking about this messing with someone else's work (because being obsessive is my standard mode of operation ;) and I think it may not have been anyone. What happens if two people are editing the fontstruction at the same time? Person A starts editing (and saving) this font, Person B comes along and also starts to edit. The FontStruction that Person B will get to edit will be the partially completed version of Person A's work (until the last save). Now both A and B are working on the FontStruction without knowing there is someone else working on it as well. Since Person B has the latest editable version, those edits get saved, while Person A's saves get lost. Later when both are done, the state of the FontStruction is that only part of Person A's work shows up while all of Person B's work is displayed. Upon seeing this, Person A thinks someone has fucked with his work when, in fact, no did. It's just a theory. What do you think, Rob?

@RobMeek: Could the FontStruction be locked from editing if it is already in editing mode? I know it means another variable to track, but maybe worthwhile.

@afrojet: The I *'d my own X. No sabotage there. The other X stood out like a sore thumb. To counter that I just started combining the two angled bricks without any concept in hopes of discovering something, and when the shape turned out to be ninja in nature, I just went with it. :) Your angled lines slab serif is anxiously awaited.

@funk_king: The cork screw is from memory. I don't know if I got the proportions right.

@funk_king: I think Thalamic is right. I designed and posted my 'Q' twice and thought it was done. only to return later to see that it was gone. I think this happens when two or more people are working on the font at the same time.

sound like that is probably what happened and was probably bound to happen with everyone going at it :) so i guess, no harm, no foul - thank goodness :)

@afrojet: My niece (age: 6.5) was sitting on my lap, passing judgment on each of the letter designs between "OK", "Good", "Bad", and "Excellent" (her scale). The only time she decided to hand out Excellent was at W. :)

According to Internet Anagram Server, words that can be made out of 'F I K L U c f k p u' are 'Fuck Flu Kip Kick Luff Up'; some out of 'a e g D N z i M' are 'Made Zing, Dazing 'Em, Dazing Me, Maze Ding, Gamin' Zed, Am Zinged'. ;)

/me goes to find what 'luff' means.

That's great, Thal. I take that as a mighty big compliment. Tell her that I dedicate the 'W' to her.

Also, as long as we can spell 'Danzig', I consider the font complete. Really, what other words are necessary once you have Danzig?

I added a "V". Hope you like it. :)

looking real good. who added the glyphs that completed the uc? check out the sample text - wow team! just a few more for the lc. then numbers and punctuation please :)

@ - i must say your A has really grown on me :) it not only displays technical invention but comic brilliance as well - i can't help but smile each time that A pops up in the sample text :)

@nippa.
yeah i do :)

@Nippa: I think the o fits in with the rest, but I reworked v (it´s a bit lower now).
And I added a y :-)

@jhejka: like your w!

I miss a certain person in that list. Guess who. ;)
So how does this work?

hey saber, sent u the sign-in info. no particular process. just log in and do your thing :)

@funk_king: Re whiskers and trails...go ahead and add them. Let's, um, collaborate.

added j, l & x

Its missing a lowercase b? Get me in on it! - Good stuff

someone's gotta do an "r" as well :)

I have contributed a b !

heads up contributors. i am thinking about releasing this font on 1001fonts website. it is a popular site for free dls. i put some stuff there and i'm happy with the results :) i plan on providing the same info that's in the description. this could potentially give this font some extra exposure and in turn each designer and Fontstruct. let me know if you object.

I think that's cool idea fk. Maybe it will bring some exposure to all the great stuff here.